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| 04:08 | highvoltage | hi guys. the meeting here starts in two hours, right? is anyone welcome? |
| 04:11 | thom | yep |
| 04:12 | thom | see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/council/document_view |
| 04:12 | highvoltage | thanks |
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| 05:07 | hornbeck | Is the meeting in one hour? |
| 05:08 | thom | yeah |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:sabdfl] : Community Council meeting Tuesday 12 October 2004 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:sabdfl] : Community Council meeting Tuesday 12 October 2004 | Agenda on wiki.ubuntulinux.org/CommunityCouncilAgenda |
| 05:59 | sivang | and it starts... |
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| 06:01 | sabdfl | still missing a few |
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| 06:01 | sabdfl | Kamion, elmo, mako |
| 06:01 | sivang | who? |
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| 06:01 | sabdfl | one down |
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| 06:01 | sivang | yep |
| 06:02 | sivang | paged mako |
| 06:02 | sabdfl | anybody seen mako this morning? |
| 06:02 | sivang | ah, he's 20hrs idle.. |
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| 06:03 | highvoltage | anyone have his phone number :) |
| 06:03 | sabdfl | i think he was up late last night |
| 06:03 | mdz | I can SMS Him |
| 06:03 | sabdfl | mdz: go for it |
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| 06:04 | sabdfl | should we begin sans elmo and mako? |
| 06:04 | sabdfl | hopefully they will join us. elmo is certainly needed for the release process infrastructure |
| 06:05 | Keybuk | elmo was around a short while ago |
| 06:05 | sabdfl | hey Keybuk |
| 06:05 | sabdfl | let's start, elmo will catch up on scrollback |
| 06:05 | mdz | messaged him; the number I have for him is still a Seattle number, though |
| 06:05 | mdz | hopefully he hasn't changed it yet |
| 06:05 | sivang | i have already did |
| 06:06 | sabdfl | oh, i forgot he's on east coast time now, should *def* be up |
| 06:06 | sabdfl | well lets start |
| 06:06 | sabdfl | agenda |
| 06:06 | sabdfl | i put a few thoughts down this morning, there was nothing there yet |
| 06:06 | mdz | mako says he's 20-30 minutes away |
| 06:07 | sabdfl | let's try to keep this one short, we all have release work to do i suspect |
| 06:07 | sabdfl | sivang has this afternoon proposed Documentation Team and Accessibility Team discussion, but i'd like to defer till the next meeting |
| 06:07 | mdz | seconded :-) |
| 06:08 | sabdfl | sivang: these are mainly Hoary goals, we need to get Warty out the door |
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| 06:08 | sivang | I see. |
| 06:08 | sabdfl | also sivang i didn't see any mention of enrico in your wiki pages, it's really important that he be in the loop, i dont want to have two separate teams |
| 06:09 | sivang | sabdfl : I have tried contacting him, he hasn't replied me yet. |
| 06:09 | sabdfl | sivang: feel free to ping me privately on irc with an update over the next week |
| 06:09 | sivang | sabdfl : I don't mind postponing it for the next meeting, I will try to get in contact with again. |
| 06:10 | sabdfl | i'll ask him to respond to you |
| 06:10 | sabdfl | ok |
| 06:10 | sabdfl | so: warty release |
| 06:10 | sivang | ok, that'll be swell, I just think we need to formalize this.. |
| 06:10 | sabdfl | mdz, want to give us the rundown? |
| 06:10 | mdz | ok |
| 06:10 | mdz | overall, we seem to be in good shape for tomorrow |
| 06:11 | mdz | final artwork integration remains to be done |
| 06:11 | mdz | and there is one big bug left on the live CD |
| 06:11 | sabdfl | on the artwork |
| 06:11 | mdz | nothing else that would upset me if we missed it for tomorrow |
| 06:11 | sabdfl | sent a set of images to jdub this morning |
| 06:11 | sabdfl | missing one final image which i think just arrived in my inbox... |
| 06:11 | Keybuk | are all the GNOME 2.8.1 tarballs in? |
| 06:12 | Keybuk | (in upstream, as well as in warty) |
| 06:12 | sabdfl | yes |
| 06:12 | mdz | I don't have a list, but seb has uploaded many |
| 06:12 | sabdfl | need to massage formats, but will get it to jdub this evening |
| 06:12 | Kamion | evolution-data-server failed to build on amd64, may need attention, I think seb128 has clocked off for a while |
| 06:12 | sabdfl | Keybuk: could you ping seb128 and confirm? |
| 06:13 | Keybuk | yeah will ask him when he's back online |
| 06:13 | Keybuk | I don't know whether they've all trickled in upstream yet, either. He'd know, I expect |
| 06:13 | sabdfl | ok, so that remains to be confirmed |
| 06:13 | sabdfl | what's the big bug in the live cd? |
| 06:14 | mdz | hal doesn't start |
| 06:14 | mdz | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1990 |
| 06:14 | mdz | alex says he will have a workaround tomorrow |
| 06:14 | pitti | I would have liked to debug this, but I don't even come this far with the Life CD |
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| 06:14 | mdz | but that leaves us with no time to test the live CD; hopefully there are no regressions |
| 06:14 | mdz | pitti: I already debugged it for him |
| 06:14 | mdz | he knows what to do |
| 06:15 | mdz | but currently it seems that alex is the only one who can build a working live CD |
| 06:15 | mdz | the autobuilding scripts do not produce a working image yet |
| 06:15 | pitti | BTW, regarding the life CD: shall #2292 regarded as major? |
| 06:15 | pitti | seems to work for some users, so probably not |
| 06:15 | mdz | I don't know, you just reported it today and I haven't read my mail yet :-) |
| 06:16 | pitti | but I don't know how many people actually tested it |
| 06:16 | mdz | it works well for me |
| 06:16 | pitti | okay, then we defer that |
| 06:16 | sabdfl | ok, got the final image, and will get it to jdub immediately |
| 06:16 | mdz | and there have been many downloads, but no other reports |
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| 06:17 | highvoltage | If I may ask, have the APM kernel support problems been sorted out? |
| 06:17 | sabdfl | would we like the RC to be good enough to be a release if we get no new major reports? |
| 06:17 | sabdfl | highvoltage: do you have a bug #? |
| 06:17 | mdz | sabdfl: yes |
| 06:17 | highvoltage | sabdfl: I'll go check... |
| 06:17 | sabdfl | i agree |
| 06:17 | mdz | I would very much like to release the RC as final |
| 06:18 | sabdfl | tomorrow, or by certifying it that way on 20th? |
| 06:18 | mdz | the live CD is my biggest concern there |
| 06:18 | mdz | sabdfl: well, it'd just be too cute for it to go out on my birthday...:-) |
| 06:19 | mdz | let's see how we feel about the RC once it's in hand |
| 06:19 | highvoltage | sabdfl: The problem I've experienced relate to bug: 1890 and bug 2002 |
| 06:19 | sabdfl | do you want to actually announce it as the final tomorrow? |
| 06:19 | Kamion | the installation manual is still very raw; I've made a fair effort at branding it, but it's very recent and few people have looked at it |
| 06:19 | mdz | I don't want to commit to that until I've seen the RC |
| 06:19 | mdz | but I think we should be open to the possibility |
| 06:20 | sabdfl | ok, i think this is optimistic, but share the feeling it would be *great* to get it out the door |
| 06:20 | sabdfl | so working on that basis.... |
| 06:20 | mdz | Kamion: the installation manual isn't shipped on the CD, so it can slip |
| 06:20 | sabdfl | what time can we build it tonight? |
| 06:20 | Kamion | mdz: look more closely :) |
| 06:20 | sabdfl | I think it shold get at least a "Release Candidate Candidate" announcement and overnight smash testing by #ubuntu |
| 06:20 | mdz | in theory, both Kamion and I can build CDs |
| 06:21 | mdz | Kamion: ah, right. nobody reads that copy, though :-) |
| 06:21 | sabdfl | ah, 24x7, i like it :-) |
| 06:21 | mdz | so between us, we have fairly continuous time zone coverage |
| 06:21 | Kamion | sabdfl: we need one more debian-installer upload, which I have in hand |
| 06:21 | Kamion | sabdfl: but I'm waiting for a few last builds first |
| 06:21 | mdz | and then elmo needs to process it by hand |
| 06:21 | Kamion | let's say c. 2000 UTC |
| 06:21 | sabdfl | ok, so artwork needs to get in, anything else? |
| 06:21 | sabdfl | will jdub be around before then? |
| 06:21 | Kamion | mdz: I'll be up all night if necessary anyway, same as preview |
| 06:22 | Kamion | got plenty of sleep last night in prep :) |
| 06:22 | mdz | our kernel isn't 100% on every single piece of hardware that's been tested yet, but that was a rather optimistic goal |
| 06:22 | sabdfl | is it... a little warty? |
| 06:22 | Kamion | USB keyboards still appear intermittently screwed, see bugs |
| 06:22 | mdz | that's currently 5 of the remaining RC bugs |
| === sabdfl ducks |
| 06:22 | sabdfl | is Herbert up for it? |
| 06:22 | mdz | these problems just take a long time to debug, due to the back-and-forth with the reporter |
| 06:23 | mdz | if we could mail herbert a clone of each machine that failed, I expect they'd be fixed quickly :-) |
| 06:23 | sabdfl | teleportation is now just an engineering problem, you know |
| 06:23 | mdz | what about that pesky Uncertainty Principle? |
| 06:23 | Keybuk | Heisenberg Compensators, you can get them on e-bay |
| 06:24 | mdz | the Heisenberg Comp... |
| 06:24 | sabdfl | mdz: are you willing to sign off on it with the RC bugs that exist? downgrading those to "slipped" |
| 06:24 | mdz | Kamion: beat me to it |
| 06:24 | Kamion | the problem with the USB keyboard bugs is that they're totally impossible to debug because no interaction with the machine is possible |
| 06:24 | sabdfl | schweet |
| 06:24 | Kamion | mdz: YM Keybuk? |
| 06:24 | mdz | sabdfl: I'm going to downgrade the kernel stuff right now |
| 06:24 | mdz | Kamion: yes |
| 06:24 | Henrik | mdz: You don't have to transport exact info on each particle, just molecules. So, that's ok. |
| 06:24 | sabdfl | hmm... bummer is, the guy never even makes it to the point where he can download updated packages, does he? |
| 06:24 | mdz | another bug currently marked RC is the lack of a local copy of the default browser start page |
| 06:25 | sabdfl | sivang: ? |
| 06:25 | hornbeck | jdub has it |
| 06:25 | mdz | I don't feel particularly RC about that one today |
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| 06:25 | sabdfl | i can draft the copy, right away |
| 06:25 | mdz | but it's easy |
| 06:25 | sabdfl | should reference ubuntu, linux, gnome, debian, openoffice I think |
| 06:25 | sabdfl | what url for linux? |
| 06:26 | Kamion | there've been installer changes today which should be safe but I'd like a bit of testing tonight |
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| 06:26 | mdz | whichever URL for Linux we use on the website |
| 06:26 | Kamion | mostly the base-installer thing for mdz |
| 06:26 | sabdfl | i don't know that we do |
| 06:26 | highvoltage | will Ubuntu 4.1 support Propability drive? |
| 06:26 | mdz | highvoltage: only finite improbability |
| 06:26 | Kamion | it's 4.10 :) |
| 06:26 | mdz | the infinite improbability drive is a Hoary problem |
| 06:26 | sivang | sabdfl : sorring, reading scrollback before |
| 06:26 | Kamion | hmm, we could time-travel and release in January 2004 |
| 06:27 | highvoltage | Kamion: sorry- my floating point support is still under development |
| 06:27 | Kamion | mdz: really HOT cup of tea |
| 06:27 | sabdfl | that would be 4.01 |
| 06:27 | highvoltage | that would be nice :) |
| 06:27 | sabdfl | k let's move on |
| 06:27 | mdz | the 4.1 vs. 4.10 thing comes up a lot |
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| 06:27 | Kamion | aye. highvoltage, use fixed-point :) |
| 06:27 | sabdfl | release process |
| 06:27 | sabdfl | what times? |
| 06:27 | mdz | sabdfl: shall we load-test the website before the release announcement this time? |
| 06:28 | sabdfl | how do we do that? |
| 06:28 | Kamion | CD build tonight earliest of (2000 UTC, whenever-artwork-hits) |
| 06:28 | highvoltage | slashdot :) |
| 06:28 | Kamion | heavy testing |
| 06:28 | sabdfl | i'm working on a wiki page: |
| 06:28 | mdz | sabdfl: a few folks on nearby fast links |
| 06:28 | sabdfl | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fReleaseProcess |
| 06:28 | mdz | hammering with ab or something simple like that |
| 06:28 | Kamion | do we use tomorrow's daily, or tonight's build? |
| 06:28 | Keybuk | mdz: aren't 1922 and 2261 both the same bug? |
| 06:28 | Kamion | ab tends to max out the client |
| 06:28 | sabdfl | kamion: tonight's unless mdz finds a problem |
| 06:28 | mdz | Keybuk: dunno, haven't looked at either one, please make the less informative one a dupe if so |
| 06:29 | sabdfl | sivang says he's sent a draft to jdub, i'll need to review please |
| 06:29 | Kamion | then we'd better make sure that http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~cjwatson/testing/ is clear |
| 06:29 | Keybuk | mdz: they're both RC |
| 06:29 | Kamion | which it currently isn't |
| 06:29 | Kamion | evolution and firefox locale problems |
| 06:29 | mdz | Keybuk: one has the thermal modules failing immediately, the other has kacpid randomly spinning off into nowhere-land |
| 06:30 | sabdfl | let's let the tech board decide when it's ready to go, CC just needs to agree the process |
| 06:30 | mdz | elmo: do you have contact information for all mirrors? |
| 06:30 | thom | for firefox locale, i think the best fix is just to remove -es and -gl, sadly |
| 06:30 | mdz | I added a note to the wiki requesting it |
| 06:30 | Keybuk | mdz: the reason the fans don't start is because kacpid is spinning -- or perhaps kacpid is spinning because the fans won't start (pick one) |
| 06:30 | elmo | mdz: err, no, how could I ? |
| 06:30 | elmo | mdz: I have a bunch of mails from folks, but it's not nor ever going to be 'all' mirrors |
| 06:31 | mdz | elmo: you know what I mean |
| 06:31 | mdz | the ones we list on our web pages |
| 06:31 | Keybuk | the NC6000 and NC8000 are, for all intents and purposes, identical laptops (and identical to my NC4010 which exibits the same problems) |
| 06:31 | carlos | thom: What's the exact problem with them? |
| 06:32 | mdz | Keybuk: I didn't see a mention of kacpid spinning in 2261, but please mark it as a dupe if I missed something |
| 06:32 | carlos | thom: bug number? |
| 06:32 | sabdfl | Kamion: so build will be ready UTC2000 |
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| 06:32 | mdz | Kamion, thom: do we need to generate torrents by hand, or is that fully automated now? |
| 06:32 | sabdfl | can we announce that build on #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu and mailing lists |
| 06:32 | Kamion | sabdfl: that's earliest start time, not finish time |
| 06:33 | Kamion | mdz: fully automated |
| 06:33 | sabdfl | Kamion: UTC 2200? |
| 06:33 | Kamion | but we don't have jigdo yet (crap, I need to forward that mail from Steve to thom+elmo, will do so after the meeting |
| 06:33 | Kamion | ) |
| 06:33 | Kamion | sabdfl: sounds like a reasonably conservative estimate |
| 06:33 | sabdfl | le's not worry about jigdo at this point, hoary problem |
| 06:34 | sabdfl | kamion: ok UTC 2200 |
| 06:34 | thom | carlos: we don't have them for firefox 0.9 |
| 06:34 | thom | the ones in unstable are for 0.8, and i've not found 0.9 ones |
| 06:34 | Kamion | we have nearly all the pieces for jigdo, it's a very short piece of assembly now |
| 06:34 | sabdfl | Kamion: will you please announce that to lists and irc and ask the willing to test and report any showstoppers? |
| 06:34 | thom | if you can point me in the right place i'll look after the meeting |
| 06:34 | mdz | let's leave ourselves some slack for a second build&test cycle |
| 06:34 | Kamion | I think we should try given Steve's effort, and we can always finish it after release if need be |
| 06:34 | sabdfl | Kamion: unnecessary distraction tonight |
| 06:34 | Kamion | mdz: 2200 is loads of slack :) |
| 06:34 | carlos | thom: ok, let me check |
| 06:34 | mdz | FYI, we do not currently have any last-minute surprises of the sort that we expected for the preview |
| 06:35 | Kamion | sabdfl: let's say a post-RC problem rather than a hoary problem then, this doesn't need archive changes so doesn't need to be bumped as far as hoary |
| 06:35 | sabdfl | ok, ten how long do we want to leave that open for testing before we publish the RC? |
| 06:35 | sabdfl | Kamion: agreed |
| 06:35 | sabdfl | we can do it this week no problem |
| 06:36 | mdz | realistically it takes a bit over an hour to get a full set built, downloaded and tested |
| 06:36 | Kamion | mdz: that was at full panicky tilt :) |
| 06:36 | sabdfl | will take people an hour to download |
| 06:36 | sabdfl | and maybe an hour to install and play |
| 06:36 | Kamion | I hadn't even finished a single install when we released the preview, FWIW |
| 06:36 | sabdfl | and an hour to report |
| 06:37 | sabdfl | so lets give it 8 hours of testing, taking us through to 0600 UTC |
| 06:37 | mdz | long night for UK folks :-) |
| 06:37 | sabdfl | sounds like a good time to move it to the right place in the archive as RC |
| 06:37 | sabdfl | or as final |
| 06:38 | Kamion | elmo: can I talk to you after the meeting about the simple cdimage rsync layout? |
| 06:38 | mdz | sabdfl: can we get some committed time from non-ubuntu Canonical folks to test the RC? |
| 06:38 | sabdfl | mdz: good idea, yes |
| 06:38 | elmo | kamion: sure? |
| 06:38 | highvoltage | will a copy of this meeting be available for download? |
| 06:39 | mdz | highvoltage: it's logged in the same place as other ubuntu channels |
| 06:39 | highvoltage | ah, ok. thanks |
| 06:39 | sabdfl | so if we publish it in the right place at 0600 UTC, how long before the mirrors have it? |
| 06:39 | sabdfl | i'd like the web page to list as many mirrors as possible when it gets /.d |
| 06:39 | sabdfl | both of them, at least :-p |
| 06:40 | mdz | there are 8 mirrors in the wiki |
| 06:40 | mdz | elmo: how many of those do you have contact info for? |
| 06:40 | sabdfl | cool! |
| 06:41 | sabdfl | so what's the optimal release time? |
| 06:41 | mdz | we have no idea what their sync schedule is |
| 06:41 | sabdfl | we want the US awake I guess, but we don't want Europe more asleep than usual |
| 06:41 | mdz | they're just mirrors that people have added to the wiki |
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| 06:41 | elmo | there's no way we can assume any sort of schedule for the mirrors |
| 06:41 | elmo | we either have to sit on the RC for a day, or take the hit from it not being on most of the mirrors |
| 06:42 | sabdfl | ok, but i suppose we could kee an eye on them, and as they populate we could manually add them to the page |
| 06:42 | sabdfl | i'd like direct links to the right directory from the download page |
| 06:42 | mdz | elmo: but if we have an email address, we can tell them about the RC and try to get a commitment for a timely update |
| 06:42 | Kamion | or there's the "release on the 20th" approach ... |
| 06:42 | elmo | mdz: err, these guys are mirrors, just like Debian mirrors. |
| 06:42 | sabdfl | what about naming? if we call it -rc it will take another sync cycle before they get it as final |
| 06:43 | elmo | I don't know what makes you think we can ask for a commitment on anything, least of all < 24 hours before we want it to happen |
| 06:43 | sabdfl | so best we be certain |
| 06:43 | sabdfl | elmo: chill |
| 06:43 | mdz | elmo: I don't see how it can hurt to ask; it's easy to verify whether they have it or not before we put them on the web page |
| 06:43 | sabdfl | we'll simply update the web page manually as they sync |
| 06:43 | justdave | OSUOSL will pull on a dime if you ask them to |
| 06:43 | justdave | don't know about the others |
| 06:43 | elmo | justdave: no, they won't |
| 06:43 | sabdfl | OSUOSL is not mirroring, i don't think |
| 06:44 | sabdfl | they only mirror community projects |
| 06:44 | sabdfl | and red hat |
| 06:44 | sabdfl | and suse |
| 06:44 | sabdfl | :-) |
| 06:44 | justdave | oh, they're not? okay, thought I heard they were earlier |
| 06:44 | sabdfl | i'm sure they will, soon |
| 06:44 | elmo | mdz: I think it's offensive to ask, but mileage clearly varies |
| 06:44 | sabdfl | elmo: agreed |
| 06:44 | sabdfl | although I can nudge the safricans |
| 06:44 | sabdfl | let's not ask unless it's a mate |
| 06:44 | highvoltage | I'm a safrican |
| 06:44 | mdz | works for me |
| 06:45 | sabdfl | anyhow, we have 1 gbit/s if we can saturate it from London |
| 06:45 | sabdfl | there are no caps on that link |
| 06:45 | mdz | we'll saturate end-to-end paths first |
| 06:45 | Henrik | When I release TheOpenCD I always send a polite email to the mirrors, and the response is usually good |
| 06:45 | sabdfl | elmo: can we push out 1 gbit/s from auckland? |
| 06:45 | elmo | sabdfl: no |
| 06:45 | elmo | the HW can't do it |
| 06:45 | sabdfl | what's the limit? |
| 06:46 | sabdfl | is auckland on 2.6.8.1? |
| 06:46 | mdz | the I/O on that box isn't even close |
| 06:46 | Keybuk | I imagine you just can't shovel 1Gbps from the disk, across the bus and out the nic |
| 06:46 | elmo | sabdfl: no |
| 06:46 | mdz | from the disk, certainly not |
| 06:46 | sabdfl | ok, let's not rock the boatnow |
| 06:46 | elmo | it was one of the "don't touch" boxes |
| 06:46 | mdz | that's over 100mbyte/sec |
| 06:47 | mdz | of course, that stuff should all be in RAM... |
| 06:47 | elmo | it can do 35MB/s sustained |
| 06:47 | sabdfl | hmm... but a lot of it should be in RAM |
| 06:47 | mdz | that's fairly crap considering the class of hardware |
| 06:47 | elmo | what on earth do you think is going to be in RAM? we'll be lucky if it keeps the few commonly hit things we have in RAM |
| 06:47 | mdz | elmo: it doesn't have the requisite terabyte of RAM? |
| 06:47 | sabdfl | hmmm... that's a surprisingly low number |
| 06:48 | mdz | we're talking about ~0.5GB of stuff that'll be hit HARD |
| 06:48 | sabdfl | i would have though the iso would be in the filesystem cache |
| 06:48 | elmo | mdz: what do you think that 0.5Gb is? |
| 06:48 | mdz | elmo: the i386 CD image |
| 06:48 | Kamion | mdz: how about the archive? that's going to be hit fairly hard too |
| 06:48 | elmo | and all the random .debs from the 24Gb archive.. it'sgoing to know to not bring those into memory too? |
| 06:49 | sabdfl | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fReleaseProcess#preview |
| 06:49 | mdz | I don't see why the rest-of-the-archive load would be _that_ much higher |
| 06:49 | mdz | there will be very few folks doing pure network installs, there'll be very little to upgrade, so it's basically just new package installs from supported/universe |
| 06:50 | Keybuk | mdz: the point is, as soon as one person does one, it'll punt the iso image out of the page cache to make room |
| 06:50 | elmo | you're assuming all our existing users are current |
| 06:50 | elmo | and auckland is busy 24/7 with downloads |
| 06:50 | elmo | the HD lights literally do not go out nowadays |
| 06:50 | mdz | I'm not; I'm assuming the load caused by our existing users won't change much |
| 06:50 | elmo | it might not change, but I think you're seriously underestimating it, if you think it won't be enough to push the i386 ISO out of cache |
| 06:50 | Kamion | I think most of them will go and hit apt-get upgrade as soon as the announcement goes out |
| 06:51 | sabdfl | are you guys happy to announce at 1200 UTC? |
| 06:51 | elmo | like, right now it's serving 80Mb/s |
| 06:51 | elmo | if we really want to serve the ISO out of RAM, we should put it on a different, dedicated box, IMO |
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| 06:51 | elmo | I don't see how else we can guarantee dedicated cache mem for it |
| 06:52 | mdz | mako just called, says he'll be on in a few |
| 06:52 | sabdfl | elmo: promse to get you better h/w for Hoary. if there's no way to load balance this now, let's just see how it goes |
| 06:52 | mdz | sabdfl: 1200 works for me |
| 06:52 | sabdfl | mdz: early |
| 06:52 | Kamion | I think we should review that at around 0200, see how things are going |
| 06:52 | sabdfl | but then, maybe that makes it easier on the bandwidth? |
| 06:53 | sabdfl | in fact, an earlier announcement will tend to make the bandwidth move in a wave with timezones |
| 06:53 | mdz | elmo: we do have a few spares, do we have one which is installed and online that we could use in that role? |
| 06:53 | elmo | we could put it on one of the dell's/HP's sure |
| 06:53 | sabdfl | elmo: it could just be a temp web server, which ONLY serves the release directory (i386, ppc, amd64, livecd) |
| 06:53 | sabdfl | and we point the web page at that |
| 06:54 | sabdfl | auckland can continue to serve the crowd |
| 06:54 | sabdfl | mirrors continue as per usual |
| 06:54 | mdz | elmo: we could also put a squid accelerator in for cdimage only |
| 06:54 | sabdfl | that way we get 35MB/s packages, and at least the same ISO's |
| 06:54 | sabdfl | simpler to have a second server |
| 06:54 | Kamion | [debian-installer upload complete; should start building shortly.] |
| 06:55 | sabdfl | elmo: want to stress test a dell? they're the fastest boxes, remember |
| 06:55 | sabdfl | kthxbye :-) |
| 06:55 | mdz | auckland wasn't up to it for the preview; it's not clear how big the RC will be |
| 06:55 | mdz | it if ends up being final, I expect it'll be bigger than preview |
| 06:55 | Keybuk | sabdfl: you want to break it? |
| 06:55 | sabdfl | oh, ok, hp then |
| 06:55 | mdz | don't hurt the poor Dell |
| 06:55 | sabdfl | maybe we should load up an hp and a dell |
| 06:55 | sabdfl | and be ready to switch if there's a glitch |
| 06:56 | sabdfl | ok, so let's talk media |
| 06:56 | elmo | mdz: how do you mean not up for it? |
| 06:56 | thom | rsync them and round robin the cdimage record *shrug* |
| 06:56 | elmo | the box itself coped fine - apache didn't but that was a misconfig which has been fixed now AFAIK |
| 06:56 | sabdfl | lwn, debian lists, ubuntu lists, python lists |
| 06:57 | sabdfl | where else? |
| 06:57 | mdz | elmo: so apart from the uplink being maxed out, everything was hunky dory? |
| 06:57 | thom | /. ? |
| 06:57 | ogra | sabdfl: german heise |
| 06:57 | elmo | mdz: on auckland? yes |
| 06:57 | mdz | it was slow when I tried to access it from chinstrap at the time |
| 06:57 | Keybuk | distrowatch, slashdot, osnews, jdub has a list of things |
| 06:57 | sabdfl | thom: i don't know if the CSS / JS issue has been solved |
| 06:57 | mdz | but that could have been the apache problem, I suppose |
| 06:57 | thom | sabdfl: it appears to have been |
| 06:57 | elmo | mdz: ftp was fine from chinstrap |
| 06:57 | sabdfl | ok, will get jdub to add to the list when he's up |
| 06:57 | sabdfl | speaking of which, we can't go without jdub being awake |
| 06:57 | sabdfl | he has the homepage and the artwork |
| 06:58 | sabdfl | thom: great, thanks |
| 06:58 | Keybuk | (btw, did anyone else we passed Gentoo in the Distrowatch chart? :p) |
| 06:58 | mdz | that stuff needs to go in well before the final build anyway |
| 06:58 | elmo | we should ship everyone to one place for these releases to defeat timezones |
| 06:58 | mdz | Keybuk: I noticed we were top 10 like 2 weeks ago |
| 06:58 | Keybuk | mdz: we're #7 now |
| 06:58 | mdz | we were #9 then |
| 06:58 | mdz | not bad for a <1-month old distribution |
| 06:58 | thom | sabdfl: ie, everything is being served from the apache cache, and we're able to sustain 70 requests/sec from off network |
| 06:59 | sabdfl | great |
| 06:59 | mdz | elmo: the international ubuntu command and control center |
| 06:59 | mdz | or IUCC (pronounced "yuck") |
| 06:59 | sivang | :)) |
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| 07:00 | mdz | mako: we're going over specifics of the release announcements |
| === mako is very sorry for the late arrival.. i got here as quickly as i could |
| 07:00 | mako | mdz: i will catch up on the log |
| 07:00 | elmo | mdz: is cricket meant to DTRT with Gb ? |
| 07:00 | sabdfl | ok, i'm all done, anything from the tech board? |
| 07:01 | mdz | elmo: depends |
| 07:01 | mdz | elmo: do you have 64-bit snmp counters available? |
| 07:01 | elmo | mdz: err, I dunno |
| 07:01 | sabdfl | mdz: all yours to sign off on the release |
| 07:01 | sabdfl | i'd like a say if it's going to be final as well |
| 07:01 | mdz | ok |
| 07:01 | sabdfl | artwork, and homepage, and i'm happy |
| 07:01 | sabdfl | Keybuk: the calendar thing is ready to rock, right? |
| 07:01 | mdz | I have my Big Red Launch Button prepared |
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| 07:02 | Keybuk | sabdfl: yeah, provided jdub sets the artwork up right -- I left sufficient documentation in the package |
| 07:02 | sabdfl | ok |
| 07:02 | sabdfl | will you verify when he's up and the artwork is in for mdz? |
| 07:02 | Keybuk | yup, sure |
| 07:02 | sabdfl | ok |
| 07:02 | Keybuk | it needs to be made the default in the default session too? |
| 07:02 | sabdfl | mako, elmo, anything from you guys? |
| 07:03 | mdz | elmo: did you get some sleep? |
| 07:03 | mako | no.. not right now |
| 07:03 | sabdfl | i'm going to try to get six hours sleep tonight to be fresh for the announcements |
| 07:03 | elmo | sabdfl: no, don't think so |
| 07:03 | elmo | mdz: not enough to prepare for the next 24 hours, I suspect :P |
| 07:03 | sabdfl | will be drafting announcements in the morning, mako, jdub wiki-fy your ideas and i'll work over them |
| 07:04 | mdz | I plan to try for at least a 20-minute nap myself |
| 07:04 | sabdfl | ok, we're done. good luck guys |
| 07:04 | mdz | lessons learned and all that |
| 07:04 | mako | again: sorry i missed the meeting.. |
| 07:04 | mako | i'll reread everything and write a summary as i did two weeks ago |
| 07:04 | sabdfl | thanks mako |
| 07:04 | sabdfl | anything from guests? |
| 07:05 | Keybuk | just checked, the calendar is the default -- so we just need the artwork |
| 07:05 | sabdfl | calendar should not be defailt |
| 07:05 | Keybuk | shouldn't it? |
| 07:05 | sabdfl | we have one with just the ubuntu logo |
| 07:05 | sabdfl | will get fewer right wing emails that way |
| 07:05 | Keybuk | that'll need a seb-upload to change |
| 07:06 | sabdfl | ok, Keybuk please coordinate |
| 07:06 | Keybuk | actually, jdub can probably do that one |
| 07:06 | Keybuk | it's just a schema change |
| 07:06 | sabdfl | ok |
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| 07:06 | pitti | BTW, somebody asked for 2.8.1 gnome packages |
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| 07:11 | mako | today is not turning out to be my best day :-/ |
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