Community Council Meeting -------------------------- This meeting was held Tuesday 22 March 2005 at 22:00 UTC, in the #ubuntu-meeting channel on irc.freenode.net. Summarized by: Benjamin Mako Hill Full Log Available: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/cc-meeting_log-20050322.html Agenda ------- People being considered as a LoCo Team Leader: * Logiotatidis Giorgos * Timo Jyrinki for the Finnish Team * Karianne Grønningsæter (Simira) for the Ubuntu Norway Community * João Cruz for the Portuguese Team Member Candidates? / Maintainer Candidates for consideration: * Arnaud Vandyck * Martin Eric Racine * Hiweed Leng * James A. Morrison * Michael Koch General Agenda Items and Proposals: * Ubuntu website remake and Kubuntu * LoCo Team Leader process * Need for IRC operators/moderators for #ubuntu? Discussion ----------- Mark Shuttleworth was not able to attend the meeting. Everybody else from the CC was present including James Troup, Colin Watson, and Benjamin Mako Hill. Also present were more members of the community than can be conveniently listed. This meeting was the first meeting on the rotating meeting time. It was held at 22:00 UTC. The next meeting will be held at 4:00 UTC, much to the displeasure of the European CC members. Benjamin Mako Hill opened the meeting describing the changed schedule. LoCo Team Leaders and General LoCo Discussion =============================================== Matthias Urlichs was able to attend this meeting. He spent some time going over the list of proposed loco team leaders (which was moved over from the last week). The list included: * Logiotatidis Giorgos * Timo Jyrinki for the Finnish Team * Karianne Grønningsæter (Simira) for the Ubuntu Norway Community * João Cruz for the Portuguese Team After consideration, Matthias announced that due to this interactions recently, he was comfortable with all of the people listed above. The latter three have all attended CC meetings already. Congratulations to the new leaders and thanks to them for all of their work. The council tabled discussion on the Italian local community team for a short while so that they could return to it later since it is a special case. New Members ============= Arnaud Vandyck As mentioned last time, Arnaud has done good work on Kaffe in Debian. Due to some interventions by Jeff Bailey who offered some great testimonials on his work on Java in Ubuntu, the council happily granted Arnaud membership. Martin Eric Racine Martin has not updated or significantly changed his wiki page since last week. As a result, any decision was postponed until the next meeting. Hiweed Leng Hiweed has not updated his information since last week and did not show up at the meeting. As a result, any decision was postponed until the next meeting. Jorge Bernal Jorge, or ``koke`` as he is known on IRC, has been working with the MOTU team extensively. He has been very busy lately with 16 sponsored uploads in the very recent past. The team recognized these contributions with membership. James A. Morrison James A. Morrison is ``Phython`` on IRC. Everyone welcomed him to the team but suggested he come back in a couple weeks when he has a few uploads under his belt before membership is decided upon. Michael Koch Like Arnaud, Michael has been working with Jeff Bailey on a number of issues related to Java integration in Ubuntu. Also like Arnaud, he was happily granted membership by the council. New members this meeting were: * Arnaud Vandyck * Jorge Bernal * Michael Koch New Website Update and Kubuntu ================================ These both appeared to be left over from the last agenda that was improperly reset. In any case, there is no new news to report about the website except that its being acted on as quickly as possible. Henrik Omma is working actively on the project as is a new employee who is working part time on website issues. The Kubuntu team mentioned that they do not have need anything from ethe CC at the moment and that they are actively working on their last packages. Loco Team Leader Process ========================== Benjamin Mako Hill introduced the issue for LoCo team leaders along with Matthias Urlichs. In short, a number of people on the the Italian team felt unhappy with leadership, communication, and decision making within that team and approached members of the council and others at Canonical to help resolve the problem. Benjamin Mako Hill and Mathias Urlichs met with several members of the Italian team including Andrea Belli (the team leader) separately, informly, and in small groups in large part in attempts to organize a meeting for all parties involved. The issues were both of a "who is doing work" sort and of a "who is in charge" nature with both sides of the argument accusing the others of not working actively, of violating the Code of Conduct and of poor leadership and actions. Several people, including Benjamin Mako Hill, tried to mediate a compromise solution unsuccessfully. For a number of reasons, part of which was frustration with the way that CC members were handling the issue, Andrea (the team leader) quit the leadership position and the team altogether. The two sides of the argument are not likely going to be able to work together. In some ways Andreas departure has difused the acute problem but negates the need to find a better long term solution to these sorts of problems in the future. Matthias Urlichs pointed out that the "first come first served" rules that the team had operated under in the past, may, in large part, be to blame and that a similar situation would be avoided under the current way that LoCos are being organized now. The Italian team is currently working without direct leadership but with representatives that divide up the duties of the leader in terms of work with Canonical, etc. -- another great potential solution. Benjamin Mako Hill pointed out that he would like a see a portable permanent solution that can be applied to other teams that get into this situation saying, "the Italian team is perhaps only unique in that it was one of our first teams to run into this problem." Representatives of the Italian teams and other involved agreed to write up their experience to act as such a guide. IRC Operators for #ubuntu =========================== The current operators for the #ubuntu channel are (nicks only here): seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz This is less than ideal because most of those of people are not active on #ubuntu. As a result, people are coming on and flooding, etc. and there is no one to deal with the problem. Matt Zimmerman suggested that the duty of operator be extended to include good community volunteers. Benjamin Mako Hill said, "we need people who are respected, responsible, responsive, and on the IRC channel all the frickin' time." Colin Watson pointed out that the people should also have a good understanding of how IRC works and have experience being an operator in a busy channel. The problem again is the CC is not particularly well suited to determine who is active enough and not. As a result, the council decided to monitor the traffic in #ubuntu over the next two weeks and to make a list of nominations of active, responsible candidates for operatorship. At the next CC meeting, everyone on the channel will be invited and there will be a decision for operatorship by rough consensus. Meeting Date ============= Rather than a plan a meeting on the day before Hoary's release in what will be the middle of the night for most of the council members, the CC decided postponed their next meeting by one week. The next CC meeting will be April 13 4:00 UTC.